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Saturday, April 04, 2009
We were just discussing how we could hear the daffodils arranged on the dining table opening last night.  Suddenly almost a popcorn sound was quite audible: It was the daffodils popping out of their brown paper skins and beginning to unfurl their yellow splendor.

A small thing, but a reminder of the magic of spring, and also the life force that is in everything.  This life force, energy, whatever you want to call it, is in everything and in us.  Knowing this, we can find ways to help ourselves open up and cope with our lives more productively.

Energy therapies such as flower essences can be used in topical mixtures, such as I make, and also in misters to provide energetic relief to larger spaces.  Calming essences such as angelica, soothing essences such as the clovers- red and white, plus dill, just as an example, can be calming to both humans and pets when misted in a room.  Helpful for office spaces as well, whatever essential oils are appropriate can be added to promote breathing or mental focus or calm. (i.e., Eucalyptus, peppermint, clary sage oils.) These same ingredients can be used in baths for relaxing and restorative results as well.  Baths are very helpful for children, as an example, who have had stressful experiences and upsets.  An appropriate mix of flowers and essential oils can promote calm and balance.  Baths are also very helpful for people suffering from sinus headaches, any flu or cold, or muscular pains.  Rose geranium oil, as an example, is an excellent oil for those suffering from GI problems, and clary sage is very helpful for hormonal imbalances.  Properly selected flower essences can combine to make a really powerful harmonizing experience.

Hands on energetic work moves the energies in the body, allowing them to flow properly and break up where they are congested.  Some simple things you can do yourself, from the practice I use- Jin Shin Jyutsu®, are to just hold your fingers gently.  When you stomach is upset, hold your thumb. If you've overeaten or have frontal headaches, the middle finger is appropriate.  When you are stressed out, hold your little finger.  Worried about a presentation? Hold your index finger.   A sequence of JSJ sessions can help rebalance the body and stabilize  ongoing issues, as well as prevent disharmony from taking hold.  Immune function can be helped, as well as hormonal function and mental focus.  Relaxation is extremely important, and energy bodywork can really help you calm down.

An important thing to keep in mind, however, is this.  With any energetic (or, really, any) therapy, results may be unseen in the immediate moment.  But there is always something moving in the body and everything around it, and when this movement is encouraged to go in its proper direction, the result, however subtle, will be a positive one.
Tuesday, March 31, 2009
Lately I've been giving a lot of thought to the fact that it takes a lot of persistence to find out what works for a person to help them heal.  No one thing works for everyone all the time.  The same thing can work differently depending on the individual situation.  

The digestion is a good example.  While one can read that there is no clinical proof that probiotics work at all to aid digestion, the evidence is there that they DO.  It is largely a question of where you do your research.  But the inquiry doesn't stop there.  You have to try different brands to see which one actually works, and see what time of day works best for you to take them.  I have had people tell me that probiotics upset their digestions, which is the opposite of course of what they are intended to do.  This, it has turned out, is often a function of what time of the day they are taken.  You have to pay attention to your own daily cycles and see where the most disturbance is, then tailor your dose time around that information.  The strength and quality of the product is also crucial, so if one doesn't work it is important to try another.  

A disharmony or dysfunction in the body builds up over a long period of time, so it makes sense that it isn't going to go away in a day, however much we might wish it to.  The pivotal thing is always diagnosis, figuring out what is actually going on.  The individual can make important contributions to this process by researching their options and asking questions.  A physician may or may not be open to discussion of alternate methods, but that may be a suggestion that one needs a different doctor.  It is important to keep in mind the fact that we are human beings, not human things, and as such in our continuity there is infinite variation.

Flower essences can be very important in these processes.  They gently allow the awareness to open so that the right question can be asked.  Movement can take place then.  It can be that old hurts and memories are parts of illness and physical problems, and the ability to look at those issues, digest them, and move forward is an incredibly powerful adjunct to any course of treatment or maintenance.  A flower essence can unlock ideas about treatment options in truly amazing ways, and allow an individual to be more open to therapies.  These strong but gentle helpers are only waiting to be asked for their aid.
Monday, March 23, 2009
I've been pondering marketing and whatnot for a long time now.  I read many healing related blogs that seem to be concentrated on marketing, and I myself don't find them very interesting.   The standard question opener: "Is this you?" "Have you always wanted to..." etc.: Instead of personalizing it for me, as it is intended to do, it leads to the idea of "gimmicks". I was watching the Bullwinkle Show this morning and Aesop's Fable was about a rabbit who was frightened of everything.  He was able to prevail over all the other animals with his "gimmick" until someone (a skunk) came along with a "better gimmick".   The moral was, rabbits come and go but gimmicks are forever.  Sometimes it seems as though that is true.

Pondering this blog with that in mind, I was wondering if I "should" change the way I write about things, or what I write about.  In short, do more promotional stuff about the things I make and do.  Then of course I realized I really can't do that:  The way I write my blog is pretty much the way I am, and I am my practice, in essence.  My hope is that my approach to this work will be of interest, and my healing skills and philosophy will incline someone to see if I can be of service to them.  Healing and being well can take time, and sometimes it is a question of degree.  Personally I don't think that promises and enticements are helpful.  Not everything works for every person, whether it be allopathic or energetic medicine.  You have to have patience and some tenacity to move toward harmony.  Sometimes you have to try something new, even.  My feeling is that when one says that some treatment or product "does" something, absolutely,it almost goes against the spirit of the work.  So many factors work together to make healing occur and improvement take place.  Maintenance takes a lot of effort and consistency.  So while it is true that botanical and energetic therapies do heal and very often cure things, it is also true that they do this within a huge spectrum of energies which often cannot be necessarily predicted or controlled.  This is as true of chemotherapy as it is of flower essence therapy.  Something always happens in treatment, but from where we are in time and space we cannot always, as healers, control it and have the exact outcome we or the client may wish.  This is where experience comes in, of course.  Over time one can see what effects things have, and one learns, and the treatments improve and outcomes get better.  Having said that, however there is always an instance where there is an unknown element that takes precedence.  Then you learn, regroup, and proceed.  But this living with uncertainty and not-knowing is the crucial piece of it all.  All the knowledge and study and practice comes together but one is still in a state of Not Knowing, of unfolding and becoming.  You aren't really a technician, you are an artist. Which brings up a central issue in the health and harmony equation: a person's spirit.  I guess I just don't think the spirit can be helped by a very material approach.  The connectedness between all things eventually rises to awareness, and the real question is how that is dealt with.   Plants and energy medicine are tools to use toward that end; sometimes I really have trouble figuring out how to "advertise" THAT.

Monday, March 09, 2009
I was re-reading Dr. Richard Gerber's book, VIBRATIONAL MEDICINE, this week.  He cites some very interesting research on "psychic" and "spiritual" healing, which I found very helpful in looking at what I do in my work, and in understanding why I do some of the things I do.  

One element that has been clinically proven is the viability of distance work and distance healing.  Another is the fact that the healer can hold items in their hands and infuse them with healing energy that persists.  The red blood cell count is improved by the use of hands on healing, and wound healing in general was shown to be accelerated by both hands on and distance work.

I am working with a client whose red blood cell count is low.  He also has several wounds that don't heal.  I apply a lotion (which I make specially for him) to his legs and do Jin Shin Jyutsu on him, and today I noticed to my great happiness that his legs had improved since my last visit.  He had had two new lesion sites, to which I applied the lotion.  I did extra Jin Shin Jyutsu to aid healing in the leg.  Still, I was worried about the appearance of new lesions.   Today, I learned that his red blood cell count is up, and during our visit, I saw that one incipient lesion was gone and the other one was healing nicely.  

In this particular case, a regular Jin Shin Jyutsu session cannot be done for various reasons.  This individual is in delicate condition so any work must be of very short duration.  I had to really think about what to do that would be effective but not taxing for the client. For this reason, my hands on for this individual focusses alot on asking for healing.  The lotion is another one of my own recipes, which I make by hand and potentiate, I suppose you could say, by holding each jar.   I realized I always hold every remedy I make in my hands for some minutes, and I never knew why.  I just knew that was how I had to do it.  Now, according to the research Dr. Gerber cites, this may actually be contributing electromagnetic energies to the remedies that allow them to perform at a higher level than they might otherwise.  

Besides having a better understanding of the 'what' of what I do, this has given me a better understanding of the process itself.  I realized that at times I feel very "responsible" for the progress of my clients.  However, I can be WAY too impatient.  This stuff doesn't happen on my time schedule.  Healing is aided by things we cannot see, and vibrational medicine is largely about just that.  The unseen does manifest itself, and people do resolve as far as they are able.  We are not given everything to know, and that is an aspect of healing work that it takes time to come to terms with.   There is a force, however, which moves us all.  We can be conduits for this force and on days like today, for me it feels like magic.  It is a magic I am happy to share.
Monday, March 02, 2009
A colleague of mine and I have recently devoted a goodly amount of discussion time to this topic.  The healing crisis was more often referred to when herbal medicine was the standard practice.  Remedies might be dispensed to stimulate such a crisis, the result of which would produce either healing or, possibly, a much less desirable outcome.   The writings of herbalists such as Dr. John R.Christopher discuss this issue, as do many homeopathic treatises.

What, really, is a healing crisis?  It is a juncture in a process where the whole matter comes to a head,  and can go either way: For good, or for Ill.  People with chronic issues can have flareups that lead to recovery or an increased level of difficulty.  Since the mind and the body are connected, a healing crisis will always affect both, regardless of the origin of the problem.  This particular aspect is what my colleague and I have been talking about.  Energy medicine is a powerful helper in situations where a healing crisis is occurring, or might occur due to the nature of the issue in question.   The aligning of the body's energies can work wonders in restoring balance and harmony to a person. Yet sometimes practitioners will speak rather blandly about healing crises, assuming that they are always necessary and productive.  Often, in our time,  they are very debilitating with no concrete result.  Therefore, I feel that it is incumbent upon the practitioner to be aware and vigilant and truly understand what is going on with the client before offering treatment suggestions.   Energetic treatments can, indeed, precipitate healing crises and the practitioner must be keenly aware of this and follow the client carefully to monitor what happens.  Often, options will be offered to a client that really are damaging to them, given their overall condition.  The cleanses and fasts and rigorous diets and purges that seem to be rather common now are a good example in terms of herbal therapies.  A person in a weakened condition must be built up before being able to undergo such treatment, yet I hear them routinely being suggested.   Energetic therapies, whether administered hands on or through color work or flower essences or some other treatment, can also shift energies so that an individual can temporarily feel quite out of balance , IF they are inappropriately used.

In THE ALCHEMY OF THE DESERT, Cynthia A. Kemp Scherer puts this issue nicely.  "There are two basic ways...(to)...release things that we have been holding onto.   One way....is through becoming conscious of and reexperiencing them.....By allowing ourselves to feel the feelings, they flow through us and we are free of them.....Sometimes another way of releasing is more appropriate.  In some instances we are given the grace to release things without having to become entangled in the whole experience again...."   This is the path I prefer for my clients.  Clearly, there must be awareness or there will never be any movement.  So often we can become totally stuck reliving an experience, or having the same cold over and over.  Nothing moves and we never feel well.  We have to be willing to hear what the situation is telling us, and then seek the appropriate method to handle what we've discovered.  Both situations and viruses can be things we must avoid, but we've got to listen to ourselves to find out.  Once some awareness is reached, a treatment program can begin and progress is possible.   The progress may come at some cost, i.e. a healing crisis, but not necessarily so, and not necessarily a gravelling, punishing one either.  Even the movement that comes from understanding is not without its challenges but it IS dynamic flow, which in itself is a healing feeling.   Not everything everyone has can be cured.  But relief is possible, and I believe peace is possible as well.

Another element in this that I am coming to see is this sense of something being wrong.  With a person, their body, their mind.  This wrong must be rooted out and exterminated.  Then one goes back to being "right", supposedly.  Or, if not, it is the individual's fault (wrongness) that precludes this return to "right".     I now have a client who is permanently in very challenging physical condition.  He recently asked me what was wrong with him.  Nothing, I said, really.  You have many more challenges than most people and require more attention across a broader spectrum.  But it doesn't mean something is WRONG with YOU.  He brightened, noticeably.    I think we might all benefit if we thought less about what is "wrong" with us, and how "dirty" we are.  All the detoxifying cleanses and foot pad cleaners in the world may not do a bit of good if that is not really the problem.  But we imagine that it is, deep down inside.  Something is wrong with us and there is something outside of us that will fix it.  A more helpful approach might be a gentler one- what are we afraid of?  Where are we really sluffing off and letting dirt build up?  Instead of thinking that rushing in and beating the stuffing out of ourselves will produce a positive result, perhaps we might look at what we are avoiding, gently, and reach a tentative exploration out toward it.  Just to see.
Tuesday, February 17, 2009
I see clients in many stages of emotional, psychological, and physical health.  As an energy and plant medicine practitioner, my feeling is that one should always start with the natural way and give it a chance to work.  The consistency of these practices guarantees a measure of success, which varies with the severity of entrenchment of the disharmony of course.

However, if one starts out with a brain chemistry dysfunction due to heredity or other issues, or if one endures trauma later in life, the brain chemistry is going to be chronically "off" enough to cause symptoms that are not readily resolvable with plant or energy medicine. The plants and energy treatments, plus good digestive support, will support health function, and maintenance of balance once it is achieved.   It is extremely important, I think, to use both well researched allopathic medicine along with alternative in these circumstances, and definitely not only one or the other.  Both are needed, and complement each other.

One example is, of course, PTSD,  where repeated trauma alters the chemical pathways in the brain.  Other examples are conditions like IBS, where a deep seated and lifelong serotonin deficiency can manifest in a multitude of  GI tract miseries.  People with FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome)  have similar deficiencies.  Panic disorders are another example.

My feeling, and observation over time, is that in these types of situations it is not "bad" or "wrong" to use anti-depressant medications to support the chemical balancing of the brain and thus overall improved function and, often, cessation of symptoms.  The combination of the medications with alternative treatments can be astonishingly powerful.

 I frequently read things wherein the author is seemingly categorically saying that antidepressants are "bad" and a marker of the decline of society in some ways.  I feel that way about pharmaceuticals in general, as it seems that so many people take so many pills that really are not helping them, and often, as in the case of pain medication, causing dependency.  Prescription medications are incredibly expensive, which is another issue that leads to many unsavory outcomes.  Perhaps people don't take their medications because they can't afford them, and suffer decline.  Perhaps they turn to drugs for pain relief after getting scrip after scrip and becoming addicted.  These issues, and others, make me often turn to a natural remedy first.   However, in seeking balance in the body, many things can be needed, especially an open mind.

While I very much agree that antidepressants should not be viewed as a substitute for growing up or feeling one's unpleasant feelings, I don't agree that they are only being used in that manner.  (Perhaps, yes, overused in that manner.) On some level I think all our brains have lessening proper chemical balance due to the constant barrage of...everything.  I am not sure that human beings were really built to withstand this.  To me this says that an individual who starts out at a chemical disadvantage may indeed need to use medication, along with plant and energy medicine, to reach and maintain a state of balance.  This means, I think, that anti-depressants are one tool among many that ought to be considered when evaluating clients with chronic pain or issues, and difficult histories, just as energy medicine and plant therapies ought to be included in any such treatment as well.  
Thursday, February 12, 2009
When a person has a health situation, whether large or small, many things have to be taken into consideration.  The current state of the body, the emotional state- for example, did you know that if you've been crying alot your potassium is lowered?  That can lead to cramps and slight disorientation, so there is indeed wisdom in the cup of tea with sugar, broth, or the glass of orange juice. 

Aside from the presenting issues and recent history, the past must be looked at as well.  Old illnesses, injuries, and family history.  Family history can include quite a bit more than whether Uncle Harry had high blood pressure.  What was the emotional climate, and what were the things no one talked about but were known nonetheless?  Very often, as we know, physical symptoms can be precipitated by old, old emotional situations and relationships. This is an area where flower essences can be very helpful.

While the flowers do not make anything happen, they do show what is going on with great clarity.  People can take essences and have exacerbations of symptoms; I have had clients have their respiratory function worsen slightly, or have rashes appear.  These symptoms go away within a few hours, but what they show is very important for future healing.  An essence can indicate what the "charge" behind something is, what the emotional trigger is, what basic bodily energy is coming into play.  Respiratory issues have often to do with grief, skin and digestive issues have connection to how we feel in the world- safe, or not?  This awareness can be helpful in diagnosis and treatment; it can give an individual a better way to explain to their physician what is going on with them, as well as a better understanding of how to help themselves heal.  The flowers themselves can help, too, in supporting a sense of emotional security as well as a stronger sense of self through understanding.  My feeling is generally that supporting my clients in feeling safe and loved is a major baseline for their healing work with themselves.  Plant medicine is especially suited to providing this kind of support and help.

It is extremely important to get all the professional support needed when a health condition arises.  One reason my practice can be called complementary is that, used in conjunction with allopathic medicine as needed, outcomes can be greatly improved. Chronic conditions can sometimes be mitigated by an awareness of their psychological and emotional sources.  The flower essences are a powerful tool to use in the work of healing.
Tuesday, February 03, 2009
As I struggle to get through my eight glasses of water a day, I often think how challenging it can be to do the really simple things that  keep us in harmony.  I tell people to drink water but  often don't make the time to do it myself.  *Sigh*  My errant shoulders are often needing to be brought "home" from their visit to my ears.

Lately I have been thinking quite a bit about the kinds of problems and projects we humans get, and many of them are related to, or exacerbated by, stress.   In Jin Shin Jyutsu there is an energetic, emotional aspect, along with the more commonly known ones such as anger, fear, grief, and worry, called Pretense.  It took me the longest time to really understand this.  We are pre-tense: Nervous before, and then nervous after.  We are pretending to feel or be something we are not.  We are trying too hard.  Trying to get it all done, trying to keep it together, trying to be good, trying to drink eight glasses of water a day.  So much of this happens on an unconscious level, too, that along with the CONSCIOUS tension, a burden on the body is created that it cannot really bear.  Many chronic ailments can be looked at in this light, among them diverticulitis.  A high fiber diet with plenty of water is crucial for anyone with this issue.  But stress management is equally important.  We really have to be in touch with our feeling and thinking state to manage our GI tract successfully.

With diverticulitis, there is inflammation- an expression of irritation in the body.  Even when one is not consciously aware of it, that irritation is moving along on its merry way in the body, ready to send its message.  If the message isn't complete the first time, infection- foreign bodies taking up residence, in essence- can manifest.  Then we have to take antibiotics, which in addition to getting rid of the infection, also get rid of the healthy bacteria in the gut that have been so laboriously replaced by proper diet and probiotics and general digestive bolstering.   So there is a hot, inflamed, angry if you will, situation in the intestines.  In traditional Chinese medicine, the GI tract is a third brain center (along with the brain itself and the heart).  With inflammatory conditions in the intestines, then, you've got a ticked off third brain.  Your GI tract is MAD.  What do you do when you're irritated and mad? Usually you're hot so you need to cool down.  You also need to calm down.   Rest and take a break.  Helpful essential oils for this situation include rose geranium, which is great in diffusion and baths for this situation.  You've got to stop the spasm cascade that starts as well, so oils like clary sage, peppermint and lavender are also excellent.  Cooling plants are helpful here.  These can be gently applied to the abdomen, or diffused in the air.  Naturally one is also going to have to take some kind of anti-inflammatory medication and keep at it until the pain recedes.  

Diverticulitis is a challenging complaint and needs proper medical attention. With that, however, one of the main things to do is manage your stress level and do it every day.  Whether you think you need to or not.  Many flower essences can be helpful in this task; my preference is to do individual assessments but depending on an individual's history, many essences can be used, especially ones that address the Pretense situation.  Each person's Pretense has a different root, which is why on an emotional level I think individual assessment is important.  But,  the most important  thing is to take some time every day to ground and calm yourself and really and truly DO IT.  It is so easy to let time pass, especially in times like these, and not take that few minutes every day to clear the mind and let the body breathe.  I urge you to do that for yourself.  And afterwards, get the assistance you need to move forward.
Friday, January 30, 2009
Lately it seems as though everyone I work with is in a highly anxious state.  Not surprising, considering what is going on all around us.  I put my hands on people and their hearts are almost fizzing and the energy is coursing through their veins double-time.  It is crucial in times like these to check in daily and take care of our baseline needs.  We must take care of our nerves and take care of our hearts, both emotional and physical.  Our digestions may be a little "off" and long standing physical projects may seem unmanageable.  The question of course is, what is a simple, cost effective way to more or less keep oneself on track?

Whether or not you are in basically reasonable shape and health, the First Thing, of course, is breathing.  When overwhelm of one sort or another looms, breathe.  Do it often, too: exhale, inhale, exhale....  It is practically the most important thing you can do to help yourself day to day.  Secondly, stay hydrated.  While I am deeply opposed to those little plastic water bottles we find cluttering our universe now, there ARE ways to have water with you and drink it through the day.  This can help in keeping tension headaches at bay, keeping bodily pain down, and it also lets your organs do their jobs.

Then, eat properly.  More often than not, one CAN have time to make something reasonable to eat that doesn't come out of a box or a pouch, and that isn't full of things like hormones and preservatives and additives.  Keep it simple.  Remember something like a roast chicken can be panini the next day, or fried rice, or any number of things.  The digestion suffers with stress, and one way to help that is to use a good probiotic, one that has millions of live cells per dose.    Then there is, of course, the poor besieged nervous system.  Adrenal support is very important, and one of my favorite things for that is a good mushroom tincture.  Look for those containing reishi and other mushrooms.  An ayurvedic herb, Ashwaganda, can be quite helpful as well and is worth looking at.  Finally, fresh air.  Take a walk, or get outside for whatever you can sustain.  Rest and sleep are topics I'll address in another blog.

 If we are looking at this and saying to ourselves, oh, I can't do that, what are we really saying? We're saying we aren't worth taking care of, and we are also saying we don't expect much from ourselves in the future.  When I don't take care of myself one day, the next day is more difficult.    We must truly work together to make the world we all share a better place than it is in this moment.  To do this, we must feel well now.  My practice offers  products to help in the daily effort toward balance- people will say to me they feel like they're buying a luxury item and laugh.  Then, they re-order and tell me they've understood that it ISN"T a luxury they've purchased, but a needed and important step toward feeling better.
Thursday, January 15, 2009
Here we are in a new year, which can be a time for new resolutions for ongoing issues and situations.  One thing I definitely learned this winter? Wear a hat.  Especially at night while sleeping in cold bedrooms.  The simple act of keeping your head warm prevents loss of body heat and can help guard against sinus headaches, coughs, and respiratory problems.  The essential oils of peppermint, rosemary and thyme, once again, when diffused in a room, can help resolve existing sinus and respiratory discomforts and restore freer breathing in a few minutes.  No decongestants or chemicals needed.  One does need to be alert for mucus buildup of course, and OTC remedies available for that are effective.  If taken in a timely way, the combination of the OTC mucus medicines, the essential oil diffusion, and warmth on the head, can help prevent respiratory infections.

The other night I saw an advertisement on television for a drug rehabilitation program.  The presenter said that people would be "cured" of their addiction issues by using his system, and also that he does not use a "disease model."  While I think a move away from a disease model is a positive step, the use of the world cure is a major red flag for me.  Cure implies a complete removal of not just symptoms but the condition in its entirety.  End of that story. It seems like a rather inflated claim for any treatment model, but it is one that is heard quite frequently.  It makes me skeptical and I have a strong feeling that it contributes to the pervasive feeling of skepticism that people have about alternative healing in general.  While allopathic medicine  does not always "cure", people at least have a sense of what to expect and are familiar with it.  An alternative approach is unfamiliar, and if it is preceded by claims that are not fulfilled, it is likely to be discarded immediately and not investigated again in any form. 

The issue of not using a disease model for addiction is also worth investigating.  Addictive processes are, more and more, being shown to be intimately and inextricably linked to brain chemistry.  You can balance that chemistry and do things to aid more positive function.  The fact that one's brain chemistry is variable in a way that tends toward addiction doesn't, in my opinion, equate to "disease" as it is thought of in this time.  Something "wrong", something that has to go away altogether and can be made to do so.  In the case of addictions, also, there is a value judgement attached to recovery which turns very sour if a person does not "recover".  It seems to me, however, that if the underlying conditions of the body are not addressed in this situation, recovery will not truly be possible.  And, we are talking about recovery and balance, not cure which implies that nothing further of the condition exists.   My sense of this is that one can be restored to balance and a level of harmony with the proper approaches, including alternative ones.  The big piece of this that doesn't get addressed in claims of cure? The individual takes responsibility for their own progress and learns from what has gone before, understanding that parts of that "before" will always be with them.  Those parts just don't have to be in control.

It is very difficult to know who to believe and what to think about many things.  It is possible to make an informed decision, however, and this is coming to be one of the most important steps anyone can take in maintaining their health.  You have to decide for yourself who to listen to.
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